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Joni M : Dylan "not authentic _ plagiarist _ fake" 13 Years, 12 Months ago
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Joni Mitchell LA Times interview
LAT: ... The folk scene you came out of had fun creating personas. You were born Roberta Joan Anderson, and someone named Bobby Zimmerman became Bob Dylan.
JM: Bob is not authentic at all. He's a plagiarist, and his name and voice are fake. Everything about Bob is a deception. We are like night and day, he and I.
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philochs (User)
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Re:Joni M : Dylan "not authentic _ plagiarist _ fa 13 Years, 12 Months ago
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hell hath no fury.....
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Re:Joni M : Dylan "not authentic _ plagiarist _ fa 13 Years, 12 Months ago
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"his name and voice are fake"
Well the name - OK. But voice? I guess a few of them over the years might have been fake but anyone care to guess which is the "real" Dylan voice? Was it Nashville Skyline after all?
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Re:Joni M : Dylan "not authentic _ plagiarist _ fake" 13 Years, 12 Months ago
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At first I thought "Yikes! What must have happened on that 1998 tour with Bob and Van?" Then I read the quote again and thought, yep they are like night and day. I don't know about the "authentic" jab, but I don't disagree with the rest of the statement, or think it's particularly damning.
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Re:Joni M : Dylan "not authentic _ plagiarist _ fake" 13 Years, 12 Months ago
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(message deleted--offensive language)
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Last Edit: 2010/04/24 03:00 By LaughsLikeTheFlowers.
Reason: offensive language
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Re:Joni M : Dylan 13 Years, 12 Months ago
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billyg wrote:
(quotation deleted from earlier post---offensive language)
When was it that you met her?
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Re:Joni M : Dylan "not authentic _ plagiarist _ fake" 13 Years, 12 Months ago
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Don't get me wrong, now, I like Dylan and have enjoyed his music, but, what, exactly, did she say that wasn't true?
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Re:Joni M : Dylan "not authentic _ plagiarist _ fake" 13 Years, 12 Months ago
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I agree - her words read as though she's angry, but the only thing I disagree with is that he doesn't sing with an "authentic" voice.
Bob has to approach singing from a completely different place than Joni - she has (had) an angelic soprano and sings from a ethereal perspective, Bob sings from the ground up, and he revels in vocal gymnastics - not operatic, but carny.
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Re:Joni M : Dylan "not authentic _ plagiarist _ fake" 13 Years, 12 Months ago
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Deceptive, fake or not, Bob is still a great lyricist, musician, and singer.
If what she says is true, then authenticity is overrated.
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Re:Joni M : Dylan "not authentic _ plagiarist _ fake" 13 Years, 12 Months ago
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she certainly overstates dylan's artifice and probably understates her own. having precendent and sources talks more about an intellectual curiousity and appreciation rather than anything too crass - yes he should credit others better but what the hell...
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Re:Joni M : Dylan 13 Years, 12 Months ago
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billyg wrote:
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And fair play to you, Bill.
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Re:Joni M : Dylan 13 Years, 12 Months ago
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jhl3 wrote:
QUOTE:
I agree - her words read as though she's angry, but the only thing I disagree with is that he doesn't sing with an "authentic" voice.
Bob has to approach singing from a completely different place than Joni - she has (had) an angelic soprano and sings from a ethereal perspective, Bob sings from the ground up, and he revels in vocal gymnastics - not operatic, but carny.
Okay, but one listen to this and one asks, "Will the real Bob Dylan please stand up."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWDQkz8POps
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Re:Joni M : Dylan 13 Years, 12 Months ago
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... complete this song lyric: ...
"Don't it always seem to to go ..."
" ???????????" ....
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Re:Joni M : Dylan 13 Years, 12 Months ago
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.... or, how about this ... which I think she WROTE FOR BOB...
haha
" Your a mean ol' daddy ..... but I LIKE you "
...gotta love Joni ....
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